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November 04, 2008

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Stephen Baker

What I like about your story is not only that Google is not omniscient, but that those of us who use it (ie. networked humanity) must learn to think differently, in set theory.

Glenn Murray

Found this post through one of your Tweets. Very interesting read. Thanks John.

Kyle York

You've become my resource for all things "search". Thanks!

Jonas Lamis

Thanks for the post John. How do we bring the "comfort of community" to the results-oriented web that we anticipate? Have a look at my thoughts on trust and transparency in the post-Google era. http://lamisphere.com/2008/10/31/trust-and-transparency-for-intelligent-agents/

nmw

Not everyone reads the LA Times. Not everyone uses Google. Not everyone speaks the same language -- not yet, at least.

When I talk about Dot (the language that will supersede English as lingua franca) people look at me with a strange look on their face. I tell them about the differences between commercial (.COM) dialect, the networking dialect and so on -- right down to speaking .DE or .FR or some other European dialect of Dot.

Of course language and culture and legal codes are not all one and the same, but there are very stong correlations among them. I describe such local search phenomena in more detail in the "Wisdom of the Language" (see http://gaggle.info/miscellaneous/articles/wisdom-of-the-language ).

Ken Chan

The solution would be to link to the Troop 43 website from your article so that it will appear the next time your son uses Google to find it.

matthew phan

Socialised search -- i.e. editorialised content: isn't that what a portal is about? we could see polarisation toward broad portals and individualised search. the only thing i envisage losing is the inability to laugh/commiserate with others about the difficulty of extracting relevant results for certain keywords... but google could easily provide an 'original' or impersonalised search version, to retain that 'commonality'.

Stephen Gilman

Virtually every time I have a conversation with my dad, who is retired with a fair bit of free time on his hands, we have a micro-conversation with near-identical words every time. It's getting to be a cliche:

Dad: "Did you see the article in the paper about..."

Me: "Dad, I keep telling you that I get my news on-line, mostly via email subscriptions and RSS. I don't have the time to read an entire newspaper every day. If the story isn't about my employer, or my industry, or another topic of particular interest to me, you can rest assured that I probably didn't read it."

I'm never pleased with myself about the answer, because I ofter discover myself learning new information too late for it to be useful to me. In order to identify an emerging meme or trend you have to consume information broadly and pick the emerging memes out of the morass. By the time the meme or trend hits my email or RSS subscriptions, it's because it has reached a critical mass in the popular consciousness, and by extension it's really too late to take advantage of it.

I have to remind myself that my dad's actually trying to do me a favour by pointing me in the direction of useful information of which I would otherwise be unaware.

pwarne

I don't use a Google account 90% of the time. When I do, I turn off search history and clean out cookies every time I close out a browser. Like you, I don't use Google Desktop.

Having the option to search privately, and exercising that option, allows for a "common ground" by reducing the data inputs to two signals - search query and geographical location of your ISP.

Rather than creating a new search engine, maybe those of us who share John's apprehension could just search privately.

bruno boutot

an opportunity, I sense, to create a new kind of search that is in fact *not* personalized, but rather socialized - shared and common to all.

Isn't it what AskMetaFilter already is?

Michele Chaboudy

thanks, John, for bringing up search behavior that is hard to not to do. . .we all get into habits that we should actively consider breaking or adjusting more often. As a librarian, I've watched even professional researchers succumb to the google habit, including myself. I appreciate your wake up call. I did try Hotbot(one of my favorites)for Troop 43 but to no avail. Great narrative, as always.

John Battelle

Thanks for all your very thoughtful comments. I did not want to link because I didn't want to be the one who "fixed" the problem, oddly, I wanted it to happen a bit more "naturally"!
Keep the comments coming, and a new post is on the way...

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